Comments on: The Duchess: A Sort of Whining Review and Discussion of Likable Characters http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2008/10/14/the-duchess-a-sort-of-whining-review-and-discussion-of-likable-characters/ Hard to Intimidate, Too Damned Drunk to Care Fri, 03 Feb 2012 10:15:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: 2nd Chance http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2008/10/14/the-duchess-a-sort-of-whining-review-and-discussion-of-likable-characters/comment-page-1/#comment-10786 2nd Chance Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:51:20 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=377#comment-10786 From my point of view, as long as people know it isn't 'real' history, cool. It's when they take the fiction and confuse it with 'real' that it gets frustrating. It's called fiction for a reason... But in a perfect world...chocolate would have been there always and always and always. Though you make me wonder. Angelique had a chocolate shop in France...wonder if that was accurate? I might have to pony up for the books and read them again... Don't ya love a time travel historical where the heroine discovers the truth about bathing, bedbugs and...well, maybe not STDs... From my point of view, as long as people know it isn’t ‘real’ history, cool. It’s when they take the fiction and confuse it with ‘real’ that it gets frustrating. It’s called fiction for a reason…

But in a perfect world…chocolate would have been there always and always and always.

Though you make me wonder. Angelique had a chocolate shop in France…wonder if that was accurate? I might have to pony up for the books and read them again…

Don’t ya love a time travel historical where the heroine discovers the truth about bathing, bedbugs and…well, maybe not STDs…

]]> By: Hellion http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2008/10/14/the-duchess-a-sort-of-whining-review-and-discussion-of-likable-characters/comment-page-1/#comment-10785 Hellion Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:44:59 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=377#comment-10785 http://www.fieldmuseum.org/Chocolate/history_intro2.html http://www.fieldmuseum.org/Chocolate/history_intro2.html

]]> By: Hellion http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2008/10/14/the-duchess-a-sort-of-whining-review-and-discussion-of-likable-characters/comment-page-1/#comment-10784 Hellion Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:37:26 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=377#comment-10784 I don't know the exact date of Waterloo...so apparently that's your Chocolate Trivia. How can you not know that about chocolate? The natives shared hot cocoa with the Spanish explorers (and it wasn't sweetened with sugar, so I bet it tasted like crap). The explorers brought it back to Spain...and voila...now being that COLUMBUS, you know, the guy you took off a day for, sailed the ocean blue in 1492...chocolate couldn't have gotten back around Europe until the 1500s. I don’t know the exact date of Waterloo…so apparently that’s your Chocolate Trivia.

How can you not know that about chocolate? The natives shared hot cocoa with the Spanish explorers (and it wasn’t sweetened with sugar, so I bet it tasted like crap). The explorers brought it back to Spain…and voila…now being that COLUMBUS, you know, the guy you took off a day for, sailed the ocean blue in 1492…chocolate couldn’t have gotten back around Europe until the 1500s.

]]> By: terrio http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2008/10/14/the-duchess-a-sort-of-whining-review-and-discussion-of-likable-characters/comment-page-1/#comment-10783 terrio Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:33:53 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=377#comment-10783 My guess would be few people know when chocolate was first introduced. I wouldn't know if I didn't know you. :) For me, I'd be bothered if some movie had a line like, "My brother fought at Waterloo in 1799." That's when I would notice. My guess would be few people know when chocolate was first introduced. I wouldn’t know if I didn’t know you. :)

For me, I’d be bothered if some movie had a line like, “My brother fought at Waterloo in 1799.” That’s when I would notice.

]]> By: Hellion http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2008/10/14/the-duchess-a-sort-of-whining-review-and-discussion-of-likable-characters/comment-page-1/#comment-10782 Hellion Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:25:48 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=377#comment-10782 There's historical accuracy about WHAT HAPPENED and then there is historical accuracy about clothing, general belief systems, what contributing factors created the situation (which is rarely touched on in stories)... There is never going to be an unbiased history...you're going to slant to the ideal you wish to perpetuate. Everyone thinks they're right. They always will. So it's not the SLANT of the history that bothers me. It's the "WHY are they eating chocolate in 1306 England when chocolate wasn't even brought to Europe until the 1500s?"--that's the trivia that bothers me. There’s historical accuracy about WHAT HAPPENED and then there is historical accuracy about clothing, general belief systems, what contributing factors created the situation (which is rarely touched on in stories)…

There is never going to be an unbiased history…you’re going to slant to the ideal you wish to perpetuate. Everyone thinks they’re right. They always will. So it’s not the SLANT of the history that bothers me. It’s the “WHY are they eating chocolate in 1306 England when chocolate wasn’t even brought to Europe until the 1500s?”–that’s the trivia that bothers me.

]]> By: terrio http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2008/10/14/the-duchess-a-sort-of-whining-review-and-discussion-of-likable-characters/comment-page-1/#comment-10781 terrio Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:23:04 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=377#comment-10781 Sorry - that was directed at 2nd Chance. Gah! It's been a long day. LOL! Sorry – that was directed at 2nd Chance. Gah! It’s been a long day. LOL!

]]> By: terrio http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2008/10/14/the-duchess-a-sort-of-whining-review-and-discussion-of-likable-characters/comment-page-1/#comment-10780 terrio Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:22:43 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=377#comment-10780 But Jordan, that goes back to Hellion's point. How often do we portray our characters in Historicals as taking daily baths? And we don't write about all the STDs or other disease that were everywhere. Think of it as creative editing. LOL! But Jordan, that goes back to Hellion’s point. How often do we portray our characters in Historicals as taking daily baths? And we don’t write about all the STDs or other disease that were everywhere.

Think of it as creative editing. LOL!

]]> By: 2nd Chance http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2008/10/14/the-duchess-a-sort-of-whining-review-and-discussion-of-likable-characters/comment-page-1/#comment-10779 2nd Chance Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:14:27 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=377#comment-10779 "If it’s a movie, my guess would be that enough people assume they always wore the kilt and, therefore, would complain that the movie wasn’t right if they weren’t wearing them." Oh, but that is so sad! What does that say about society and the ease at which historical accuracy is corrupted? Granted, the survivors write the history books...but that just hurt to read! And I'm not a historically accurate reader/watcher nit picker. Say it long enough, show it long enough, and it becomes real. Oh, feel ill... “If it’s a movie, my guess would be that enough people assume they always wore the kilt and, therefore, would complain that the movie wasn’t right if they weren’t wearing them.”

Oh, but that is so sad! What does that say about society and the ease at which historical accuracy is corrupted? Granted, the survivors write the history books…but that just hurt to read! And I’m not a historically accurate reader/watcher nit picker.

Say it long enough, show it long enough, and it becomes real. Oh, feel ill…

]]> By: terrio http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2008/10/14/the-duchess-a-sort-of-whining-review-and-discussion-of-likable-characters/comment-page-1/#comment-10778 terrio Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:37:49 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=377#comment-10778 If it's a book, I say go with whatever they really wore and I'll go along. I'm there for the story, not the kilt. Though that's just me. :) If it's a movie, my guess would be that enough people assume they always wore the kilt and, therefore, would complain that the movie wasn't right if they weren't wearing them. If it’s a book, I say go with whatever they really wore and I’ll go along. I’m there for the story, not the kilt. Though that’s just me. :)

If it’s a movie, my guess would be that enough people assume they always wore the kilt and, therefore, would complain that the movie wasn’t right if they weren’t wearing them.

]]> By: Hellion http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2008/10/14/the-duchess-a-sort-of-whining-review-and-discussion-of-likable-characters/comment-page-1/#comment-10777 Hellion Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:24:27 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=377#comment-10777 That makes me think of the kilt issue again. What about Scottish historicals that take place before kilts were really in use. I don't know about you, but the reason I'm reading the book is because they're wearing a kilt. If they're wearing a leine and brat (as is traditional) prior to the kilt, then they're wearing a really big shirt and a blanket over their shoulders. It doesn't scream the same sort of sexy for me. So do we go for sexy or accurate in this case? That makes me think of the kilt issue again. What about Scottish historicals that take place before kilts were really in use. I don’t know about you, but the reason I’m reading the book is because they’re wearing a kilt. If they’re wearing a leine and brat (as is traditional) prior to the kilt, then they’re wearing a really big shirt and a blanket over their shoulders. It doesn’t scream the same sort of sexy for me.

So do we go for sexy or accurate in this case?

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