Comments on: Closing the Deal http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2009/12/08/closing-the-deal/ Hard to Intimidate, Too Damned Drunk to Care Fri, 03 Feb 2012 10:15:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: 2nd Chance http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2009/12/08/closing-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-30333 2nd Chance Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:34:47 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=802#comment-30333 You know, I jus' be too sun toasted ta be much sense taday. Sailed on the Talofa across the bay at Cabo, snorkeled, saw manta rays flingin' themsevles out a' the water jus' fer the joy a' it...whale spoutin'... It were a good day. As fer the topic, best book that delvered lately? Turn Coat by Jim Butcher. Finished it a few days ago and wow...Makes me hungry fer more... The angst, the humor, the humanity in those books... Sin? Kim Harrison is good, but Jim Butcher is magnificent... Had the most devine chocolate mousse mud pie last night. I can die now. I've tasted heaven... You know, I jus’ be too sun toasted ta be much sense taday. Sailed on the Talofa across the bay at Cabo, snorkeled, saw manta rays flingin’ themsevles out a’ the water jus’ fer the joy a’ it…whale spoutin’… It were a good day.

As fer the topic, best book that delvered lately? Turn Coat by Jim Butcher. Finished it a few days ago and wow…Makes me hungry fer more… The angst, the humor, the humanity in those books… Sin? Kim Harrison is good, but Jim Butcher is magnificent…

Had the most devine chocolate mousse mud pie last night. I can die now. I’ve tasted heaven…

]]> By: Hellion http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2009/12/08/closing-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-30332 Hellion Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:39:20 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=802#comment-30332 "I want you!" "I hate you!" "I adore you!" "You're stupid!" "I want a life with you and 6 kids!" "I don't know what I want because I'm a booby twit!" Seriously, get some medication and get some balance in your life. Yoga is nice. “I want you!”
“I hate you!”
“I adore you!”
“You’re stupid!”
“I want a life with you and 6 kids!”
“I don’t know what I want because I’m a booby twit!”

Seriously, get some medication and get some balance in your life. Yoga is nice.

]]> By: Bo'sun http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2009/12/08/closing-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-30331 Bo'sun Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:51:50 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=802#comment-30331 Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel. Don’t hold back, tell us how you really feel.

]]> By: Hellion http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2009/12/08/closing-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-30329 Hellion Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:54:00 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=802#comment-30329 <i>Hot and cold gets exhausting to read. LOL </i> Hot and Cold is hard to do. I don't like it myself. I can get the "cold" if you feel guilty or something and that's clear, but the "I want you" and "I hate you" bullcrap is stupid!! Hot and cold gets exhausting to read. LOL

Hot and Cold is hard to do. I don’t like it myself. I can get the “cold” if you feel guilty or something and that’s clear, but the “I want you” and “I hate you” bullcrap is stupid!!

]]> By: Hellion http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2009/12/08/closing-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-30328 Hellion Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:49:03 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=802#comment-30328 Janga, George Strait can tell me any line he wants to and I'd fall for it. That man knows it's all about the delivery! I faintly remember the "how happy feels" scene...Lisa blows everyone out of the water, doesn't she? *sighs* And the starlight line really does make you sigh happily. Sorta like how happy I felt at the end of Harry Potter...very satisfied with how things turned out and why. Janga, George Strait can tell me any line he wants to and I’d fall for it. That man knows it’s all about the delivery!

I faintly remember the “how happy feels” scene…Lisa blows everyone out of the water, doesn’t she? *sighs*

And the starlight line really does make you sigh happily. Sorta like how happy I felt at the end of Harry Potter…very satisfied with how things turned out and why.

]]> By: Melissa http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2009/12/08/closing-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-30327 Melissa Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:39:33 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=802#comment-30327 <i>The author might have known that as soon as these two had sex, the gig was up–and thus kept it until the end.But you were annoyed because you knew instinctively the conflict wasn’t deep enough to sustain a book of this length.</i> I hadn't thought of that -- the gig is up and the MOONLIGHTing hitch. As you say, the sex might cause more conflict in consequences and complications. And also unresolved external conflicts. I guess I would have preferred or accepted the gig to be up. Hot and cold gets exhausting to read. LOL Yes, Terri, it's complicated! And I think it's a lot about what the reader accepts or prefers too. Was it just me? I read the author's bio and read she was a Golden Heart finalist. I still didn't like the story though. The author might have known that as soon as these two had sex, the gig was up–and thus kept it until the end.But you were annoyed because you knew instinctively the conflict wasn’t deep enough to sustain a book of this length.

I hadn’t thought of that — the gig is up and the MOONLIGHTing hitch. As you say, the sex might cause more conflict in consequences and complications. And also unresolved external conflicts. I guess I would have preferred or accepted the gig to be up. Hot and cold gets exhausting to read. LOL

Yes, Terri, it’s complicated! And I think it’s a lot about what the reader accepts or prefers too. Was it just me? I read the author’s bio and read she was a Golden Heart finalist. I still didn’t like the story though.

]]> By: Janga http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2009/12/08/closing-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-30326 Janga Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:05:21 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=802#comment-30326 I always hear George Strait singing "The Chair" in the background when the subject is pickup lines. The best one I ever hear personally was "Pardon me for staring. I'm a stargazer by avocation, and the brightest ones are in your eyes." Yeah, he was a charmer, but he lacked staying power--in every sense. Best "close the deal" scene--a tie, one with sex, one without: Dreaming of You by Lisa Kleypas when Drek finally learns "how happy feels" and the wedding scene in Kathleen Gilles Seidel's Till the Stars Fall when Dodd Hall reunites and sings the first song Quinn wrote for Krissa, ending with him looking at her and thinking "He now knew where starlight came from." Sigh! I always hear George Strait singing “The Chair” in the background when the subject is pickup lines. The best one I ever hear personally was “Pardon me for staring. I’m a stargazer by avocation, and the brightest ones are in your eyes.” Yeah, he was a charmer, but he lacked staying power–in every sense.

Best “close the deal” scene–a tie, one with sex, one without: Dreaming of You by Lisa Kleypas when Drek finally learns “how happy feels” and the wedding scene in Kathleen Gilles Seidel’s Till the Stars Fall when Dodd Hall reunites and sings the first song Quinn wrote for Krissa, ending with him looking at her and thinking “He now knew where starlight came from.” Sigh!

]]> By: Bo'sun http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2009/12/08/closing-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-30325 Bo'sun Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:58:19 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=802#comment-30325 That interrupting thing is a fine line. It's been said before, but if it gets to the point where I'm saying, "Oh, come on!" it's not good. And THAT they are being interrupted is not as important and HOW you write the stuff before and after the interruption. Unfortunately, it's complicated. *sigh* That interrupting thing is a fine line. It’s been said before, but if it gets to the point where I’m saying, “Oh, come on!” it’s not good.

And THAT they are being interrupted is not as important and HOW you write the stuff before and after the interruption. Unfortunately, it’s complicated. *sigh*

]]> By: Hellion http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2009/12/08/closing-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-30324 Hellion Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:43:50 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=802#comment-30324 No, it sounds like she equated sex with emotion, in a way. Some people can get away doing the crazy interruptions because the emotional POV/deep POV of the characters is so believable, you're willing to go the distance and be frustrated with them. But if the sexual tension feels surface, all sex but no connection, then the interruptions are that much more noticable. At least, that's what I think. And it is quite possible she got cold feet. Plus there is that MOONLIGHTing hitch. Basically once you get the characters together--after they've been bantering and hating each other--and suddenly they lose the conflict of why these two shouldn't be together. Sex should cause more conflicts, consequences, and complications...and if it doesn't...your book can unravel fast. The author might have known that as soon as these two had sex, the gig was up--and thus kept it until the end. But you were annoyed because you knew instinctively the conflict wasn't deep enough to sustain a book of this length. No, it sounds like she equated sex with emotion, in a way. Some people can get away doing the crazy interruptions because the emotional POV/deep POV of the characters is so believable, you’re willing to go the distance and be frustrated with them. But if the sexual tension feels surface, all sex but no connection, then the interruptions are that much more noticable.

At least, that’s what I think.

And it is quite possible she got cold feet.

Plus there is that MOONLIGHTing hitch. Basically once you get the characters together–after they’ve been bantering and hating each other–and suddenly they lose the conflict of why these two shouldn’t be together. Sex should cause more conflicts, consequences, and complications…and if it doesn’t…your book can unravel fast. The author might have known that as soon as these two had sex, the gig was up–and thus kept it until the end. But you were annoyed because you knew instinctively the conflict wasn’t deep enough to sustain a book of this length.

]]> By: Melissa http://romancewritersrevenge.com/2009/12/08/closing-the-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-30323 Melissa Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:33:58 +0000 http://romancewritersrevenge.com/?p=802#comment-30323 I am glad though that I don't HAVE to write sex scenes all over the place. I think for a while I thought I did. Now I think I pick story lines that they can't, but want to, and that gives me an "out." LOL The sexual tension is better than the actual sex and I feel more comfortable writing the "almost" knowing they can only go so far emotionally but wish for more. They have a valid reason for frustration. But if it's logical that they would...then they better! I threw a book at the wall a while back because I didn't think the interruptions were all that believable. Like, come on! The problem was, the stop and start didn't escalate the sexual tension. They went back to square one. And I almost wondered if the writer had my "problem" and backed off. Did she just get cold feet? I am glad though that I don’t HAVE to write sex scenes all over the place. I think for a while I thought I did. Now I think I pick story lines that they can’t, but want to, and that gives me an “out.” LOL The sexual tension is better than the actual sex and I feel more comfortable writing the “almost” knowing they can only go so far emotionally but wish for more. They have a valid reason for frustration.

But if it’s logical that they would…then they better! I threw a book at the wall a while back because I didn’t think the interruptions were all that believable. Like, come on! The problem was, the stop and start didn’t escalate the sexual tension. They went back to square one. And I almost wondered if the writer had my “problem” and backed off. Did she just get cold feet?

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